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jazilla · Oct 19, 2010, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Am I alone in thinking it's odd that if you actually PvP'ed for your zkeys that you would get the Zkey title before you would ever get your arena title? If you do the Zaishen quests which happen to be repeatable and offer large sums of Balthazar faction, there is no way NOT to get the Z-Title before you get the Arena title unless you didn't use the z-keys which would be odd. Even if they don't change the Z-Title to be PvE only like I think they should, it should be reworked so that the Arena Titles are actually worth achieving. Because at this point, there is no point in earning arena titles at all.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 19, 2010, 05:19 PM // 17:19

/signed, i'm already mad enough about the fact the lowered the hero title for hom req, after spending 3 months trying 2 get my GF her r8 and achriving that and that afterwords the lower it to only needed r6 and than give pve'ers the addation of having zashian count. i mean this is anet babying pve'ers because there is more of them than pvp'ers and they knew 1 side was gonna complign and they decide because less pvp'ers 2 screw them over and baby pve'ers for there hom. i don't think anything will change becasue if anet does take away zashian as a pvp title and puts hero back there will just as many threads started about how unfair this is i mean there is already a thread complign about the 1 title pvp req

Hyperventilate · Oct 19, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Del

How you got your zaishen title is of no consequence. You are one of the extremely vast minority that actually put effort into farming the title.

How I got it apparently does matter.

I earned it through PVP. I don't give a crap how other people got theirs because in one way or another, the keys were earned in PVP. Maybe not from you, maybe not from the guy you bought them from, but someone did PVP for them.

If someone were to take my Zaishen rank away from me because it was too "PVE"ish, I'd demand an alternative that counted towards a PVP title given to me.

I don't care if someone bought their Zaishen title. I think it's petty to do so.

It's a PVP title. Get over it.

Lord Mip · Oct 19, 2010, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by RedStar

Oh come on, you are either lying or have a wonderful PvE guild.

It may not be the same kind of discrimination but it still exists in elite areas
And to get into RA you don't have to search for a team. You are forced to party with 3 other people (good, bad, fun, whiny, you don't have a single choice).

And just like being in a good PvE guild helps getting titles and doing elite areas, being in a good PvP guild helps getting titles and getting into HA.

Very true, but all Elite Areas can be done using a balanced team. Considering you only have to complete it on Normal Mode to get it into your Hall of Monuments, it's not that bad. You can get all the statues being guildless.

Another factor to take into account is internet quality. I used to do ranked GvG about four years ago, but my internet changed and now it's too laggy to be really competing in PvP. That means I'm pretty much unable to get any PvP title except for Codex, which is a grind and has absolutely NOTHING to do with PvP nowadays.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 19, 2010, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

How I got it apparently does matter.

I earned it through PVP. I don't give a crap how other people got theirs because in one way or another, the keys were earned in PVP. Maybe not from you, maybe not from the guy you bought them from, but someone did PVP for them.

If someone were to take my Zaishen rank away from me because it was too "PVE"ish, I'd demand an alternative that counted towards a PVP title given to me.

I don't care if someone bought their Zaishen title. I think it's petty to do so.

It's a PVP title. Get over it.

the zashian combat and zashian mission quest now award zashian coins that you can trade for zkeys it's not longer that they had 2 be earned in pvp

RedStar · Oct 19, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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/signed, i'm already mad enough about the fact the lowered the hero title for hom req, after spending 3 months trying 2 get my GF her r8 and achriving that and that afterwords the lower it to only needed r6 and than give pve'ers the addation of having zashian count. i mean this is anet babying pve'ers because there is more of them than pvp'ers and they knew 1 side was gonna complign and they decide because less pvp'ers 2 screw them over and baby pve'ers for there hom. i don't think anything will change becasue if anet does take away zashian as a pvp title and puts hero back there will just as many threads started about how unfair this is i mean there is already a thread complign about the 1 title pvp req

So you are mad because more people are able to put a statue in their HoM or because you wasted more time to get r8 ? At least you can now join r8 groups in HA...

And the wonderful "PvPers are QQers, no it's PvEers that QQ more" debate is something that should finally die...It's not like PvP or PvE is a way of life >.<

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You can get all the statues being guildless.

True but it's harder to find a group (for both PvE and PvP).

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but someone did PVP for them.

Has everyone really forgotten the Xunlai House ? You just had to almost randomly click on 16 names and you could win 20 keys or more per months. A friend of mine made more than 1 million with that.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 19, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

i have 5 accounts i got over 200 keys every month from that. and i'm mad i waisted the time i was only ha'ing with her 2 get it in her hom no reason 2 go past that and i already had my tiger and retired from ha the sec she got r8, if the cap for hom was r6 i would've stopped 1k fame ago

chadS · Oct 19, 2010, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Thanks XTH for helping everyone with their titles.

Del · Oct 19, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

You appear to have trouble reading, so i'l just reply with shit i already said until you understand what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

How I got it apparently does matter.

I earned it through PVP. I don't give a crap how other people got theirs because in one way or another, the keys were earned in PVP. Maybe not from you, maybe not from the guy you bought them from, but someone did PVP for them.

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Originally Posted by Del

How you got your zaishen title is of no consequence. You are one of the extremely vast minority that actually put effort into farming the title.

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

If someone were to take my Zaishen rank away from me because it was too "PVE"ish, I'd demand an alternative that counted towards a PVP title given to me.

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Originally Posted by Del

seriously, get over that bullshit feeling of self-entitlement.

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

I don't care if just about everyone bought their Zaishen title. I think just because i actually worked on it, that the title should be considered pvp

Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

It's a PVP title. Get over it.

Nope.

Tolmos · Oct 20, 2010, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by Del

but seriously, get over that bullshit feeling of self-entitlement.

Anyone who is upset by the concept of having a title they worked for made worthless simply because you and a few other choice people decide it wasn't "hardcore" enough is suffering from a sense of self-entitlement?

Mireles · Oct 20, 2010, 01:02 AM // 01:02

@ Tolmos.... nice dood..... don't understand what the QQing is about... it just seems to me people want others to be without a PvP title on HoM which can be argued as being elitist...

why?

it does not effect you any what other people have... just play your game and be happy that you accomplished titles other haven't.

Del · Oct 20, 2010, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Anyone who is upset by the concept of having a title they worked for made worthless simply because you and a few other choice people decide it wasn't "hardcore" enough is suffering from a sense of self-entitlement?

No, feeling like the pvp title should be handed to you is. Also, Z-title isn't pvp, and should never have counted as pvp. It isn't about how "hardcore" it is.

Essence Snow · Oct 20, 2010, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Del

You shouldn't have a pvp trophy. You obviously aren't capable of pvping at even an HA acceptable level, and HA is small time. I don't know why you, and others, feel this self-entitlement when it comes to the pvp statue. Anet doesn't owe you a statue that you don't want to earn, so actually pvp if you want it so badly. Not as if it matters because this thread is going to be another one of those things anet couldn't give two shits for, but seriously, get over that bullshit feeling of self-entitlement.

How you got your zaishen title is of no consequence. You are one of the extremely vast minority that actually put effort into farming the title.

Have you noticed you are one of a vast minority that actually care about how other gain their titles? Your comments are of no consequence. See what I did there?

Pritst Of Death · Oct 20, 2010, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Mireles

@ Tolmos.... nice dood..... don't understand what the QQing is about... it just seems to me people want others to be without a PvP title on HoM which can be argued as being elitist...

why?

it does not effect you any what other people have... just play your game and be happy that you accomplished titles other haven't.

thats the whole point now the titles we worked hard 2 get and ahieive have made eaiser 2 get and work we did for our hom in pvp can now be acheived with 150e

chris12xu · Oct 20, 2010, 04:02 AM // 04:02

people who got gwamm are pissed off too since you dont need gwamm to get the 50/50 but you dont see them qqing all over the forum being whiny little girls stop being such a child and deal with it your like a kid throwing a temper tantrum in a store.

jazilla · Oct 20, 2010, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Mireles

@ Tolmos.... nice dood..... don't understand what the QQing is about... it just seems to me people want others to be without a PvP title on HoM which can be argued as being elitist...

why?

it does not effect you any what other people have... just play your game and be happy that you accomplished titles other haven't.

while i think where he was coming from is off base, i would like to tell you where i am coming from. Here is the issue: if you pvp'ed to get a PvP statue like RA/Champ/Hero etc. you will automatically get your zkey statue BEFORE getting the actual PvP statue for the format you were doing. This happens because of the amount of Balthazar faction you earn for z-quests that are repeatable in PvP. Shouldn't you get the statue for your fave format before the z-chest statue? See the disconnect?

I am gonna go out on a limb here Mireles and say that you have the z-key title and are 50/50 but don't have an actual PvP statue in your hall except for the Zaishen one. Am I right? Which is fine, because that is the way ANET wants it. My whole suggestion is that they up the number of zkeys required to get the zkey statue, or make it a PvE only statue. That would make the actual "Arena" statues worth something, which they aren't now because you get the zkey statue before any of those.

You are totally entitled to your opinion on all of this but if you haven't earned Glad or Hero or Champ, then you don't understand how a lot of us who have honestly played PvP feel about this.

Mireles · Oct 20, 2010, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by jazilla

while i think where he was coming from is off base, i would like to tell you where i am coming from. Here is the issue: if you pvp'ed to get a PvP statue like RA/Champ/Hero etc. you will automatically get your zkey statue BEFORE getting the actual PvP statue for the format you were doing. This happens because of the amount of Balthazar faction you earn for z-quests that are repeatable in PvP. Shouldn't you get the statue for your fave format before the z-chest statue? See the disconnect?

I am gonna go out on a limb here Mireles and say that you have the z-key title and are 50/50 but don't have an actual PvP statue in your hall except for the Zaishen one. Am I right? Which is fine, because that is the way ANET wants it. My whole suggestion is that they up the number of zkeys required to get the zkey statue, or make it a PvE only statue. That would make the actual "Arena" statues worth something, which they aren't now because you get the zkey statue before any of those.

You are totally entitled to your opinion on all of this but if you haven't earned Glad or Hero or Champ, then you don't understand how a lot of us who have honestly played PvP feel about this.

I see where your coming from I have r3 codex and r11 zrank....I bought over 90% of the keys to get there threw power trading... I think the arena nets reasoning of making z-rank a pvp title is that given the current state of pvp achieving the required ranks for a statue does not meet their definition of casual play.... codex is the only pvp I feel is casual because there is no constant meta but it is dead as well...Some people argue that RA is an avenue for pvp... but i gave up half way to r1 because i didn't have friends to sync with like many of the teams were... Between school and work... just was not worth the grind and the wait for a team with even a monk..and this is coming from someone that has 35 max titles...

To want to take away a reward thou because you feel it is to simple is arguably elitist... maybe an increase of statue requirement is warranted to make the difficulty more close to that of other pvp accomplishments. But thats just me because i can do 200 keys standing on my head...and also keep in mind when the statue limit was decided keys were worth some where around 7k/ea. Ive never seen anet increase a requirement. To remove it would cut off alot of players from the 3 point pvp accomplishment, which is what i doubt anet had in mind.

Thank you for being the most rational and polite person to ever disagree with me on these forums...

feel free to check my hom

-Mireles Lore

edit: aww who took away the doubleface palm pic that was funny stuff...

The Drunkard · Oct 20, 2010, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Pritst Of Death

thats the whole point now the titles we worked hard 2 get and ahieive have made eaiser 2 get and work we did for our hom in pvp can now be acheived with 150e

Because no other pvp title has been cheapened or has been able to be payed for (either ingame or out of game) amirite?

OT: The fact that some guru members still haven't figured out that Anet has been catering to the casual player for the past three years kinda depresses me. Anet will NEVER remove a pve reward (in this case it's for gw2) for the sake of someone's prestige or the preconceived notion of "fairness". It just won't happen.

/notsigned

helloeveryone · Oct 20, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Maybe Anet can try to make Zaishen a PVE title and remove the PVP title requirement for HOM? just a suggestion since PVPers don't like "PVP title" to be achieved by "PVE" means and PVPers don't care about GW2 pve rewards.

jazilla · Oct 20, 2010, 02:51 PM // 14:51

@Mireles: You totally understand then. I find it a difficult issue because I see where others are coming from as well on this thing. Both sides have valid points. Getting rid of the PvP requirement for the HoM actually may be the best way to do it at this point. There is another thread about that on the forums here and that seems reasonable to me. Thanks for the HoM Calculator heads up. You can check mine out as well. I am "Iason Evan". I recognize your name from selling things in LA and Kamadan. Cheers bro.